The Real Frank Thring

Published in Inpress magazine (2008)

Interview with Michael F. Cahill

By Daniel Vigilante

Frank Thring is one of those Aussie icons a lot of people won’t admit to canonising. Cavaliering in funeral black outfits and bling to shame even the most successful ghetto rappers, Thring has been described as the most flamboyant, eccentric, intimidating, and often cruelly sarcastic rebels Australia has even seen. An iconoclast than an icon. Oh, and he was also a damn great actor—but that’s by the way.

He shared the stage with Laurence Olivier in the 1950s; a feat of which Michael F Cahill says: “You can’t really do any better than that as an actor.” His most famous role was as Pontius Pilot in Ben Hur, and he featured in other big Hollywood films such as King of Kings, El Cid and The Vikings, but also home-grown favourites like Mad Max.

So it’s with great excitement that the larger-than-life personality is going to be brought back onto the stage with Hoy Polly and Triple R’s world premier of The Real Thring, written by Barry Dickens and directed by Wayne Pearn.

Michael F Cahill is cast as Thring, and being British, admits to not knowing a great deal about Thring before taking up the post. But it’s something that has proved beneficial in this depiction because an impersonation is something the team took pains to avoid. “This is very much a piece of theatre,” Cahill says. “It’s a written play, not an impersonation. The character we’re trying to get to is the one that he [Thring] didn’t show you. Everybody knows the flamboyant, hard-drinking, witty, biting Thring who cropped up on TV and whatever, but the play tries to get behind that. The only thing I’ve really got to go off is Barry’s script, so in the end you just treat it like any other play—you just go back to the text.”

As for the text itself, Cahill describes it as “a very lyrical piece. The language is quite dense and rhythmic. Frank was well known for doing these theatrical monologues, particularly on radio; he used to use a lot of rhyme and dog lore and was very fond of limericks, so Barry’s woven a lot of that in there. It’s a very rich tapestry of language and images and people. It’s pretty much an epic poem more than a monologue.”

There is a biographical thread running through the “epic poem”, and it runs fairly chronological, from Thring’s upbringing in Toorak to the West End then to Hollywood and finally to Mahoney Street Fitzroy, where he often found safe harbour in the studios of Triple R.

Not quite a biopic, Cahill prefers to call it “an evocation of the man”, and theatrically explores what it was like to be Frank Thring. “It says a lot about fame and celebrity and whether that relates to talent, and whether the talent can survive celebrity. So from that point of view, it’s got quite a contemporary message.”

Apart from turning up drunk on chat shows, and coming up with “some rather risky witticisms”, Thring’s notoriety also gained stir in his raging homosexual orientation, especially considering he was at his peak during a time when homosexuality was not quite as accepted or celebrated the way it is today. “He probably only stopped short of standing on the stage and saying ‘I fuck men!’ because he would have got arrested,” Cahill says.

Cahill is aware that some people may come to the performance with their own personal view of Thring, but says those people may end up disappointed if they’re expecting an impersonation. “I think the people who will probably enjoy it most are the people who know least about him because the writing is strong and interesting enough in itself.”

From a performance point-of-view, Cahill says: “I’ve never been giving a character that I can cut so loose with, because you pretty much can’t go over-the-top with Frank Thring. What ever I do, I’m only going to be a pale shadow of what the real Thring was like.”

The Real Frank Thring

Triple R Performance Space (221 Nicholson Street, Brunswick East)

12 – 27 September 2008

Bookings: 9016 3873

hoypolloytheatre.blogspot.com

Peter Combe

Published in Utimes Magazine, May 2008

By Daniel Vigilante

Wash Yourself in Orange Juice. Spaghetti Bolognaise. Toffee Apple. Juicy Juicy Green Grass. No, this isn’t the menu of some new chic organic cafe on Brunswick Street. They’re the song names and mnemonic aids to some of this generation’s most treasured memories. It’s the catalogue of Peter Combe, that lovable larrikin who delivered these ‘hits’ directly to our TV screens back in childhood when the ABC was the only media we knew.

Anyone between the ages of, say, 19 – 28 will invariably have heard these melodies and no doubt have a fond affection for their creator. And it seems fitting, then, that he come back and play to the same generation, only this time as young adults, in a pub, with beer.

“This tour’s a little different. We’ve tried to make it a notch up from last year. Last year I basically toured with myself and my keyboard player, which was really nice, but this year we’re going the whole hog and doing a band show in every capital city.” And what makes this tour even more unique than your average rock circuit is that he’ll be playing with different musicians in every state. He’s organised for some of the best young musicians in each city to join him and help bring the songs to life. Not only will there be the spectacle of playing with a shredding guitarist who once watched Peter on TV when they were still having their bum wiped for them, but it brings with it the added bonus of saving Peter lots of money; and in a sense, this makes the band gig possible, as he admits it would be financially impossible to tour the country with a full band. Even his own son, who is 24, will be joining him on some of the tour, making the on-stage dynamic all the more interesting.

“I’ve always wanted to do a band tour and this is actually the biggest tour I’ve ever done!….And the other great advantage of playing with these younger players is you get this incredible enthusiasm that wouldn’t otherwise get with an older session player.”

“I think people kind of surprise themselves when they come to the show, firstly at how well they know the songs and all the lyrics, but secondly at how loudly they find themselves singing.  It’s really quite touching (laughs)”.  He goes on to say how he doesn’t take his audience for granted and seems genuinely “enriched” that people are coming to his shows and having such a good time.

A new live album is in the works, which doubles as a live DVD—it’s concert footage from a raucous show in Adelaide. He put it together “to prove to people who think that I’m taking the micky when I tell them about my shows, so I can say ‘well just watch this and see for yourself!’” (laughs). The new album/dvd, Live at Jive, can be bought online from www.petercombe.com

Catch Peter Combe and The Juicy Juicy Green Grass Band on 15 June at the Corner Hotel, Richmond

Tickets www.cornerhotel.com

Fin Kennedy – UK playwright

Published in Inpress magazine (2008)

Review of the play, How To Disappear Completely And Never Be Found

Review of the play here

Kate Ceberano – ‘So Much Beauty’

Published on Media Search

By Daniel Vigilante

Kate Ceberano is not only one of Australia’s most loved and accomplished artists, she’s also one of our most prolific. The release of ‘So Much Beauty’ this month is her 17th full length album, and if, like wine, artists only get better with age, this may very well prove to be her best release yet. And that’s exactly the purport Kate herself put forth, as she explained to me in a friendly and lively chat.

“I think this is one of my favourite albums ever. I’m usually very shy about saying things like that because obviously we like to like our own work, but I very rarely listen to my old stuff, and this is an album that I’ve already been listening to quite a bit. I’m enjoying something about it.” And that ‘something about it’ may simply be the fact that it’s so listenable; its easy listening soft melodies is my guess as to where the attraction lies, and this, surely, is that ‘something’. And of course when you consider that the majority of the album is made up of cover songs from an eclectic mix of great pop tunes, it doesn’t take long before you’re humming along and tapping to a familiar rhythm that’s been twisted a little to give it some of Kate’s musical personality.

She was just recovering from a “week of creativity”, having been the muse to AFL footballer, Russel Robertson, on channel seven’s ‘It Takes Two’, and was so impressed with Russel that she actually asked him to feature on the new album. She says that he has been “amazing” in both ventures, but does admit to it being a little “weird” having a footballer singing on her album. But this is mere happenstance, and singing quality is paramount over status, as she explains: “I take my music very seriously, so I wouldn’t have put him on if I didn’t think that he was genuinely a great singer, and that’s true, I really do. He’s been an absolute joy and it’s so surprising to work with someone so gifted in another area and to be so clever as a performing artist as well.”

He accompanies her on one the three original tracks that are on the album, Never Say Never, and does a commendable job at convincing the listener that this—and not kicking a football—is his day job.

The point of having some original tracks on the album was very important to Kate. “It’s a good balance. Of all my hits over the years, most of them have been my own originals, and with radio singles, you only get to really showcase two or three, and then of the others, I wanted to be my favourite songs that I was listening to currently or that I’ve always wanted to do interpretations of.”

While Kate essentially does have autonomy over which songs she covers, she does welcome contributions from her group, and admits that even the record label and management contributed some good ideas. “Normally I get a bit obsessive about my own stuff and it’s hard to be objective, so I’ve been able to see how all the different qualities and different suggestions have made it work. And that’s new for me (laughs).”

The decision to have a more contemporary feel was a conscious decision to contrast with the Nine Lime Avenue album, which was a paean to her favourite 80’s tracks. Her cover of Maroon 5’s ‘She Will Be Loved’ is a brilliantly adapted compliment to the original and is one of my favourites on the album, which she agrees with. “Yeah, I love that version. I like it when you can take a different angle; with this one, the story I told was not the yearning of the male, but rather of the person observing the male…..There’s a great pathos there of being able to describe someone else’s journey. I felt really able to inhabit his (singer Adam Levine’s) skin when I sing that song.”

And does it help being able to identify more with lyrics when you sing them?

“Oh definitely. I think everything has to be message oriented. I mean, I love mindless dance music too, don’t get me wrong, but for me as a performer and then getting up on stage, I have to feel as though I can help my audience take some journey, and great lyrics really allow you to take them there.”

Another version that appealed to me was her cover of K.T Tunstall’s Suddenly I See, which slows the beat down, adds some bongos and becomes something you might listen to on a lazy Sunday afternoon, relaxing in a banana lounge drink schnapps. But the reason for choosing this track to cover goes a lot deeper than my Sunday reverie.

“When there’s so much significance loaded onto a person’s look or age or any of these things, a song like that, in one full swoop, tells you how irrelevant it is. But at the same time, you kick yourself for being concerned about it. And I mean, this is a relevant issue to my friends, people in this business, and people generally, I suppose…..I think that ultimately, eventually you have to learn to love your own skin. After so many years, myself, being in and out of love, to finally reach some sought of happy home has been amazing. And that’s essentially reflected in the album. For me it’s a collection of all the things of beauty, on a private level.”

Curse Ov Dialect

Published in Inpress magazine (2008)

Tripod

Published in Inpress magazine (2007)

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Chicago Blues… a generational thing

The name Michael Charles may not exactly sit up there with the likes of Chris Cheney or Daniel Johns in the limelight of today’s popular Australian guitarists, but there was a time when Charles reined King on the Australian music scene. Now living in Chicago, Michael caught up with Daniel Vigilante to discuss what he misses about Australia, cold winters, and the new generation of ‘Michael’ following in his keynote – his son, colloquially known as Mick. And as we learn, there’s permanence in music that goes deeper than simply having a song stuck in your head.

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When Mick Italia picked up a guitar at age 5, you’d be forgiven for thinking something along the lines: it may be a little too early to tell, but this kid may have talent. This premature opinion from your hypothetical self does not come without warrant. You see, the hypothetical you was only too aware that the Fender ‘78 sunburst stratocaster belonged to his father, and was still covered with sweat, wear and tear from last night’s performance in front of 2,000 admiring fans.

When you’re brought up the son of blues master, some of the virtuosity is bound to rub off on you, and fortunately for Mick, the fret-board dexterity rubbed off in the right places. However there was quite a gap between Mick’s first fondling with the 6-string as a wee toddler and the next time he gave it serious attention; some ten years in fact. A late starter by today’s must-make-child-prodigy generation of parents we see all too often. But Mick’s father, Michael Charles, knew that if he pushed the boundaries of his son’s natural interests, it might seriously prove detrimental to their already precarious circumstance.

The beginnings of ‘Greatness’

Michael grew up in country Victoria. He is the second of two children and only son of Mary and Salvatore “Sam”, Italian immigrants from Sicily. Michael learnt life’s most valuable lessons from his pragmatic father, and put that knowledge into practice when he opened his own mechanic shop; a learning curve in the business world which paved the way for a successful record label and distribution company that he runs from his home in Chicago to this very day.

The other important virtue that Sam taught young Michael – indeed the virtue that makes Michael the man he is today – was his first chords. Though just a hobbyist guitar player, Sam taught Michael his first few riffs, and from that moment on, Michael knew he had found what was to become his life long love: music.

Michael became obsessive about the guitar, incessantly playing all day long for hours at a time. His parents were actually a little concerned when young Michael barricaded his windows with blankets “so the room would be dark and resemble a stage”. At eight, Michael was orchestrating his first band. By fifteen, he was touring.

Travelling through the United States a few years back, I spent 8 days at Michaels place. Upon meeting him, I made an introductory witticism to break the ice and said that I was hugely honoured to be staying with such an accomplished musician and almost felt the need to call him Mr. Charles. He said that that was very kind, but wouldn’t be necessary. Instead, he said, “call me ‘Greatness’”.

Chicago Blues

He has turned the basement of his ordinary house in an ordinary neighbourhood in Chicago’s lower east into a multi-million dollar world-class recording studio. On the phone hook-up for this interview, I was reminded of that quasi-American accent that comes through every now and again, especially for “a” words like ask, can’t, and ass; the inevitable affectation of too much time abroad.

After a successful and escalating career touring Australia in the 80’s, recognised as one of Australia’s most prolific songwriters by the Australian Performers Right Association (APRA) and regular features in the nation’s top music trade magazines, he was invited to play at Buddy Guy’s Legends in Chicago in 1989, a prestigious accolade that he now holds as a high point.

With much deliberation, he decided to go. “It was a tough decision man. Things were going so great for me professionally, but it meant I would have to leave my wife and kids behind. I knew opportunities existed in the U.S, I mean, you know, when you’re a kid all you want to do is play stadiums, and well, frankly, that opportunity exists more in the U.S than in little old Australia,” he chuckled.

That was the beginning of his affair with America, which eventually put too much strain on his marriage and before long, he found himself penniless, I.D-less, insurance-less, with plenty of loneliness walking around the streets of downtown Chicago.

“Those early days were tough going man, I tell ya. I learnt a lot of valuable lessons about the cultural differences of our countries,” he said with a sombre laugh that hinted to stories of adverse “lessons” in cultural diversity. But what struck me more was that he used our countries. I ask him which country he feels more attached to, and without hesitation he tells me Australia.

“Oh yeah, I mean, America has been great for me in so many ways, but I mean, I still call Australia home….I know I’ll be back some day. I ain’t here forever man, I ain’t built for the cold winters (laughs). I keep getting the Chicago Blues.” That amiable laugh, again reminding me of the hospitable and amiable nature that I quickly discovered at the Charles residence those few years ago.  The pun however, spoke volumes.

Michael goes on to tell me that he misses touring in Australia, and the thriving live music scene of the 80’s, of which he was enthusiastically part of. But most of all, he misses his kids. He keeps regular contact with both Mick and his sister Laura. And like his father before him, Michael has played a major role in introducing music to his son’s life, from guitars lying around the house ready to be explored, blues pumping out of the stereo, and those first few lessons of an E minor shape.

A new generation of Michael

“I grew up with blues from very young age,” Mick tells me. “There was always music or an instrument around…but sadly, after my father went to America (Michael was 6yrs old) I didn’t pick up a guitar until I was well into high school.”

Was there a particular reason that he stayed away from the guitar? “No, not really. I think I know what you’re insinuating, but it wasn’t a conscious decision to block anything out or anything like that. I was just a kid, you know. I liked footy and surfing and skateboarding. Music came later. Well, at least playing music anyway. I really didn’t get interested in the guitar until I saw my friend play a Tool song one day in the music room at school. I asked him to teach it to me and haven’t looked back since. I always knew I wanted to play at some point though. I mean, I knew all about my father’s success and musical talent and everything, and we’ve regularly spoken on the phone from as far back as I can remember, so I just needed that trigger to get me into gear to actually make the decision, ‘Right! I’m gonna learn this thing.’ I think he was quietly ecstatic when I told him I’ve learnt the opening riff to Smoke on the Water on guitar,” (laughs).

Mick certainly hasn’t looked back since; he went on to form an original ‘nu-metal’ band in high school with the friend that taught him the Tool riff (who ironically was relegated to the less respected bass – Mick clearly had a penchant and talent for the guitar and his friend wisely let it ferment). That band made the state finals of the Battle-of-the-Bands competition and won $1,000 worth of studio time, which they recorded their first EP with.

Music has continued its perpetual influence on Mick’s life and he continues to make original and highly acclaimed progressive music with his new band, art-rockers ‘Them’, and can be found on any given night rocking it out in the venues that his father used play here in Melbourne.

“Yeah, it’s funny that. We played at the Barleycorn Hotel (in Collingwood) a few weeks back and I had just spoken to my father a few days before and he told me that he used to play there. As it turned out, the booking manager actually remembered him. Just goes to show you, I suppose, that once you’re in this industry, behind the curtain or in front of it, there’s really no escaping it.”

Going back to the Old School

Michael Charles recorded his first EP in 1983 with his friend and industry associate Greg Williams, who ran a record-label and studio called ‘Dex Audio’ in North Melbourne. And with the motif of longevity clearly coming from my experience with ‘music industry types’, I wasn’t too surprised to learn that Dex Audio is still up and running at the same studio today.

Michael worked with Greg from ‘83-’89 recording most of his work in the Dex Audio studios, back when albums were made of vinyl. When Michael was last in Melbourne in November 2005 (he comes every couple of years, mostly to catch up with family), he took Mick to his mate’s studio and the two of them caught up on old times, told stories about the early days of gigging and the lackadaisical nature of the industry at the time.

“Yeah it was great to catch up with Mike (Michael Charles) and his son,” Greg told me over the phone, after finally catching him after 3 days of constant trying. Even now he tells me that he doesn’t have much time, but would graciously spare me “a few minutes”.

“It’s always great to see Mike, no matter how many years go by. I think Mick really enjoyed hearing the stories of his old man’s antics and the general picture of what the music industry was like when his old man was king of it, so to speak.”

He went on to tell me about the new album that Michael Charles is releasing (on his own label, Moonlight Records, recorded at his basement studio in Chicago called Sammary Sound), and that Mick is featured on album. That album, by the way, was released February 2006 and is called I’m Nobody’s Fool. It’s Charles’ 17th major release.

“It’s terrific that after so many years of playing, his (M. Charles) son is actually appearing on one of his albums.”

Michael sent the master tapes to Dex Audio studios, where Greg co-produced and engineered the final mastering on the album, after getting Mick in for a few days to lay down some guitar tracks over the top of 2 songs. It’s the first time Greg and Michael have worked on a Michael Charles album since 1991.

And if the enigmatic circle of longevity continues to wield its influence, Mick too may just never come back from Chicago when he goes to visit this December for the first time in his short 23 years on earth. And meant with the best intention, I hope he doesn’t.

 

www.michaelcharles.us – Official website of Michael Charles

www.sammarystudio.com – Michael Charles’ Studio website

www.moonlightlable.com – Michael Charles’ own record label.

Dallas Crane

Published in The Swine magazine (Swinburne Univesity 2006)

By Daniel Vigilante

Having signed a recording and publishing deal with Albert Productions in 2004, the home of AC/DC, the guys from Dallas Crane (named after the truck company who owned the factory in Port Melbourne where they used to rehearse) are set to follow in the footsteps of their legendary Australian rock n’ roll predecessors. The release of their 4th studio album, ‘Factory Girls’ (which came out Sept. 16) promises to make it’s dent in the hearts of punters, as well as, hopefully, the charts with it’s blend of dirty garage rock and harmonious sing-a-long-in-summer melodies. Their latest single ‘Curiosity’ has been hitting the airwaves in the previous months and they kick off a major national tour in October, playing The Hi-Fi Bar on 6th October and the Peninsula Lounge on the 7th,, with plans for the UK in November and then on to Asia.

I caught up with 2 of the nicest guys in rock, lead guitarist and backing vocalist Pete Satchell, and drummer Shane Vanderwert for a beer and a chat in the sunshine of a trendy St. Kilda café.

The first thing I ask, after the general pleasantries and chit chat, is about the rock n’ roll clichés, and if there are many wild antics while on the road.

The boys seem little reluctant to mention specific stories or reluctant to respond at all initially, but I soon realise their supposed reluctance bellied in the fact that they may not have that many to tell – or at least don’t want to. Dave tells me, in a gasp of embittered nostalgia, that in “doing the Hume Highway millions of times, you do whatever you can to keep yourselves entertained.”

The long and dusty road to maturity seemed to have taken the guys’ enthusiasm out of professing their wild and wicked antics; as though that were the stuff of young boys who were young, dumb and full of cum. But this is a student magazine! That’s precisely our target audience. They (we) need to relate. We need to feel a connection with our interviewee so we’re not embarrassed about being young, dumb and full of cum. Heck, some of us are even proud of it. We need to know the stories about doing wobbly lines of cocaine on the breasts of excitable groupies, and about having beer-shower orgies and being dried with the breasts of excitable groupies, and about passing out (on the breasts of excitable groupies) from too little sleep and too much adrenaline expenditure. We need stories that involve the breasts of excitable groupies! Aren’t these the stories we relate to? Surely! No, you’re exactly right. Of course not. But all the more important for our masturbatory fantasies – someone should be, and by god if it isn’t rock band members, all our teenage ambitions will be blown out of the water; it’ll make kids aspire to accountancy and human relations. Worse! We’ll want to be dutiful citizens and have monogamous relationships.

“So you’re crushing the myth of sex, drugs and rock n’ roll?” I ask.

“Oh no, it’s out there,” Shane assures me. “There’s still many a party to be had.” I breathe a sigh of relief.

“There’s heaps of that going on,” Pete continues, “but we were more interested in it when we were younger. You know like, you bounce back a lot easier when you’re 20 than when you’re 30.”

I don’t know, but I can understand. At 23, I already say things like when I was younger I could, but not these days. Sure I’m usually referring to smoking bongs in the back of friend’s car overlooking Strathmore soccer field, but I can relate it to Pete’s predicament.

The guys explain that as part of the pressure of being a more established, professional outfit, the weight of responsibility falls a lot heavier on their shoulders. They have carved a reputation for themselves as one of Australia’s leading live acts and exude an enormous amount of energy into their performances, which, frankly speaking shouldn’t be wasted on the more insipid attributes that come with being in a rock n’ roll band. They place a lot more importance on their shows, downgrading the priority of partying to secondary.

“Look at a band like The Living End,” Shane explains. “Whether you like them or not, their shows are impeccable, and they’ve sold everything they do on their live shows, I reckon. They’re a professional outfit that does it really well. A benchmark, I suppose, to what a live show should be like.”

After admitting that the two bands the are very different, and play 2 very different styles, Pete also mentions that he wouldn’t mind doing some of the underage gigs that their Melbourne counterparts do, reasoning that the younger audience is a completely different kettle of fish, one that they’ve yet to fully hewn in. I suppose that’s the purpose of the agreeing to do this interview, because god knows how many precocious 17yr old snots prematurely make it into university these days. Or maybe that’s me being a whingy ‘mature’ age stew-dent, still dreaming of the soccer field…

We discuss a little more about the success of TLE boiling down to their longevity and changing to keep up with market expectations. I ask if it’s difficult to sustain that longevity in such a cut-throat business like the music industry and if the direction of the band changes, or do you stick to your guns?

“Oh it changes, yeah definitely,” Pete says. “We’re lucky in way cos we’ve never really pigeon-holed ourselves in a way like TLE have. I mean, they’re always gonna have to write about fucken, you know, you can’t tell us what to do, because you know, they’ve based their careers around it, whereas we’re fortune enough to be able to change things around a bit. That’s not to say we can put out a hip-hop or death metal record or anything like that, but we’re a bit more free with styles, which is kinda cool.”

Shane adds, “our sound seems to naturally evolve with each record,” and then goes on talk of his admiration for bands that can have dramatic changes and yet still be appealing to their fan-base, citing Wilco as a personal favourite.

“No matter what,” he continues, “whenever you put something out there, people are gonna compare new stuff to what you’ve done already, you know, it’s always gonna happen, and you’re never gonna please everybody all the time; like the new release (Factory Girls) … it’s not the same as our last one, it’s a little bit different. Some people are gonna love it, some people aren’t. You just hope more people are gonna like it than not.”

I printed off a list of comments about the last DC album which were posted on the Triple J website by fans (which mysteriously were all very positive) and there seemed to be a lot references to fellow Melbourne rockers – albeit commercial successors – Jet, or at least comments that praised the Crane over their contemporaries. I quizzed the guys about it, asking if there had been anything more to it; was there some acrimonious bickering along a similar vein to Oasis-Blur, Oasis-Robbie Williams, Oasis-Oasis, which I was unaware about?

Shane assures me that there isn’t; the 2 bands are good mates. In fact, Jet used to come to DC shows back in the day, and are only comparable in that both bands play a similar stream of no-frills rock and are from the same city. Shane admits that people like to slag off the tall poppies, and Australians have particularly always backed the underdog. “Jet would probably laugh about those kind of comments, except they’re laughing all the way to bank.” One comment reads “Dallas Crane make Jet look like pussies,” to which Shane, ever so friendly and light-hearted anyhow, cacks himself laughing like a schoolboy being shown a rude drawing.

Pete is a little more pragmatic but just as amiable. He interrupts Shane’s giggles, excitedly reciting a “kick-ass” comment that he has stumbled upon: “‘Best guitar solo since JBT Betterman’. Awesome! But who is JBT?” I tell him that it’s the John Butler Trio, but I don’t ask for a comment. Instead I let him to soak up the sweet reverie that all guitarists are entitled to enjoy after being enlightened to fact that their playing is in fact brilliant, as told from someone “on the outside.”

“Tim Rogers called you guys the best band in the country. That’s a pretty big call. Got any comments,” I ask.

“Well…Tim’s bloody well right,” Pete cheekily replies, while Shane, like his loyal jester, bursts out laughing again.

Pete goes on to explain how they met: “Dave (Larkin – rhythm guitar and lead vocals) and I where doing an acoustic gig and Tim came and checked it out, and we were like ‘Fuck, Tim Rogers is here.’ We ended up hanging out, and you know, one thing lead to another, and well, he’s just like us. He’s into footy, you know. He’s a local boy. You can kick the footy with him in the park and he’s just good fun to hang out with and have a laugh with and all that. I mean, he’s one of Australia’s all time greatest songwriters. I look up to him like no tomorrow. When you’re getting kudos from someone you look up to, it’s like, wow, this is really nice.”

“He’s just a big softy at heart, Rogers,” Shane says. “But he’s as rock n’ roll as anyone gets.”

Pete adds, “Yeah, he’s a sweetheart.” I kind of raise my eyebrows a tad, which Pete notices, and assures me: “you can quote me on that.” Very well, I just may.

In the early days of craning, Shane explains that the band were more experimental with their sound, using congas as snares, corrugated iron as high-hats, floor-toms as kick-drum, basically trying to sound different and had no inhibitions. They mention that they have worked in the opposite direction to most bands, as far as writing goes, doing the experimental stuff first then refining their sound along the way. This was partly due to the fact that they had to sell themselves on their live shows, having no record label, and basically needing to perform a dazzling set of tunes that could be bashed out between the 4 of them, and not relying on studio trickery.

They describe the new album as a fun record – lots of happy major chords with killer hooks and catchy choruses. Pete tells me, “There’s a time and place for serious music and serious political thought because people need to be educated (by any means), but with us it’s just, you know, have some fun! If it’s not fun, it’s not worth doing. I mean, why would you do anything that isn’t fun?” That’s a great philosophy I agree, why would you?